So, any way to make this something we don't need to have forced on us? I kinda like the current targeting UI atm.

actually, after staring at the pic for a bit i see that its the lock timer. The avatar and one raven are already locked. The raven that is locked has no damage notifications on it. The raven that is being locked has a grey bar at roughly 25% of the full circle, which is confusing because in the other image the lock timer has just started (15 sec).

It isn't ewar i believe, its the lock timer which is slightly confusing considering there are two ravens.

12 oclock to 4 oclock.

Will there be an indication when I or my drones hit? What will other's drones look like that hit me? What bout ships I do not have targeted hitting me, what will they look like? Im wondering what the screen will look like when 30 NPCs are all shooting and hitting me.

What is being done to minimize server load for these icons and to compensate for those who do not use brackets? In many larger scale fleet fights brackets are turned off to make sure clients are able to function properly. For many who do not have "current series" hardware when it comes to their processor and graphics card; they may not be able to handle the extra load to their computer. I'm currently running Eve on newer hardware components, but I still keep my brackets off most of the time when I PvP.

That said, the changes look great! Looking forward to hearing more as development progresses!

Going to repost this as I do not think the devs are looking at the first couple of posts.

I like the idea behind this, as reading things can be difficult. However, can we make it more useful by having the opacity be a reflection as to how well they are hitting us instead of their damage/our HP? For instance: damage inflicted by enemy/maximum possible damage possible? Damage relative to HP isnGÇÖt all too helpful because your shipGÇÖs health is a very VERY easy stat to keep track of. However, having a visual que to knowing that you are under the guns of your opponent or that you have flown out of somoneGÇÖs optimal would be VERY helpful (as opposed to having those numbers memorized ).


Also, can we get the damage UI on every ship we have locked, not just the one we have selected? This would help out on logis as well as keeping track of primaries.

Last, with this being a really nice UI option, can we disable the stacked bar of ships we have locked? As it is already on our screen :) (would free up that vital screen space)

I don't get why the hit animation has to be so complicated. Make it blink when they fire. Don't need a mathematical equation for opacity, which nobody's going to be paying much attention to anyway.

As far as the animation goes when you're establishing target lock, you could make it like a timer that goes all the way around the circle. So if it takes 12 seconds to lock a ship, the circle takes 12 seconds to fill up

What will the new indicator icons look like on the overview?

I like the concept shown for the additional information shown on the brackets. The dev blog shows a targeting icon based on targeting range. This is mostly useless information for me. I live and fight in wormholes where most encounters occur at very close range. What I care about is the weapon range for my weapons and selected ammo. From a personal perspective, I would prefer to see the targeting icon when a target is inside my optimal + falloff instead of the targeting range of my ship.

The hit icon opacity thing sounds very cool and is a very nice visual indicator. However my concern is that it'll effectively display individual shots rather than the rate of incoming damage from a target. What I would suggest is that you have a value for opacity that diminishes at a certain rate (Whether it's linear, exponential or whatever isn't exactly important) and on each hit the value is topped up a little bit depending on the damage of the hit (Still the ratio of damage to HP) so that you can still see each individual shot come in as the opacity suddenly increases. So now a missile volley (Massive value) and turret shots (loads of little values) are now visibly comparable as you now have in a way a display of average incoming damage rather than what the last shot was like which isn't very helpful when you're trying to decide whether a missile boat or a turret boat is dealing more damage.

Just wondering how this is going to work with disabled brackets, may MANY players with machines on the lower end of the performance spectrum disable brackets during fleet fights. Are we still going to have the list of active targets and will disabling brackets turn off the "in-range" bracket? (I would hope yes on that second one, and I'm on the fence on the first personally).

another thing is, how does that flashy thing affect large fleet fights ? I guess these will put some stress to some computers out there when a few hundret players start attacking you. We can switch off effects, but can we switch this one off ?.

Maybe something similar to the 'hit icon sequence' pulsing animation but in green or blue? It could become more intense as you receive a larger rep amount per cycle.

Have you tested the new "healthcircles" with setups where there is a lot of movement?
F.e. with a alphafleet on the one side and shieldlogis on the other. Might not be so easy to see what is shields when all bars move at the same time up and down. Or a handful of ships beating on a x-large ASB sleipnir.
Also the new locked targets look bigger, like everything else in the UI got bigger. There are people who don-¦t play on high resolutions and are already running low on actual room to see something. Now try it with 10 locked targets and the new aggressionflags... Please don-¦t force us to get better hardware just fo rsuch little tweeks.
Another thing is "how visable is it if you are breaking something-¦s tank or not?" Atm we can use things like the text below the bars to measure the movement. Not possible with the circles. Please try it with stuff like a large DEDbooster tengu or carriers.
The locktimevalue no longer displaying is also a bad thing.
For the notifications: A lot of players already use colourcoded notifications where the different things are in different colours, so for example you just look for red if you want to know who is doing something, green for what he is doing and blue for whom he is doing it to. Maybe incorporate something like this.
Overall I have to say: Needs more work please. And don-¦t just go with it because you already put in so much work.

I like how the typical dev response so far has been 'I'm right you're wrong, suck it.' I'm getting that bad feeling that comes before things like before the inventory changes, and every other unpopular failure that I've seen added to the game.

Don't listen to him, sure it could use some extra tweaking :D but this kind of change is exactly what we need... but what do you think about my suggestion to touch the brackets too? (thinner, with standing as colour instead, perhaps different shapes?)

http://i.imgur.com/Dk5Nu.jpg

kinda like this picture?

Let me ask this, are you adding anything more to the tooltip in the future or what ideas do you have?

On the retribution art, it shows Criminal Flags and such on the targeting reticles, is that part of your plan as well? What other tid bits can we hope to see?

I think when people said the target icons are larger, and you dismissed it saying they're not that much larger that it shows the same kind of thing as with the module icon windows. We also complained those were too large, and you didn't think so, and all iteration on the feature has gone silent. Icons and window borders keep getting bigger with each new feature, without any way for the players to adjust it, because you guys know best.

WE NEED THE SECONDS!
We need to know how many seconds it takes to lock a target not to see a filling circle. What's wrong with you ppl? EVE is about information, numbers and tactic. Instead of making the UI more intuitive and add useful info to it, you guys are going in the opposite direction. Instead of redesigning/recoloring the weapon icons showing next to the targeting UI (cos most of them are really hard to see against a dark background), you did what? Removed critical information from gameplay and made the targeting UI counter-intuitive. Ofc, ppl will get used to it, just like we did with the new horrible inventory, but it is wrong. Stop wasting time repairing what is not broken.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/fa7ts8.jpg

Well, I'm not going to complain as this is something you're adding that wasn't there before, not something you're changing around, however I agree with Karl, that seeing the kind of hit would be much more useful. Maybe you need to stop nubing missions and try pvping as this is where that information will be truly critical, not in PVE. But, like I said, better than nothing.

Unless.... you're planning to remove damage notifications and rely solely on this new mechanism, then you better get ready for a rage storm.

Also, I don't really understand, can't you already see all the HP notifications on all locked targets???

P.S. Great work, I like that you're going back to the round target icons, and I think starting clockwise with shields at 12 is just friggen awesome :)

Thought I would throw this out there, might generate some ideas for the new damage indicator. The idea was to have a simple indicator that shows hit quality, damage and damage type.

http://i.imgur.com/RZq0p.png

also i noticed int the pics in the dev blog that the arrows spinning around the avatr are not in sync plese fix this for my ocd friends in space and als what are the four bars on the outside of the s/a/h bars if you mad these blink yellow and red for lock and argo that would be nice also im confsed as to what label is on the target circle is that the name of the ship or the ship type or the pilots name if you could put the pilots name then the ship type under the locked targets window in that order that would be nice so in pvp i could just say " skils in the raven is blaping me OMG KILL HIM NOW HEEEEEEEEEEELP ME HE HAZ POINTZ ON MEEEEE...nvm im dead"
the reson i say this is cause the avatar says avatar but the raven says skillz im asuming this is the raven pilots name???? plz clarifie dis for me plzthx

very nice change I also would like to see the brackets that are rotating around the main bracket to have a purpose like indicating the targets status for example

rotating brackets spinning fast is high transversal velocity or low when spinning slowly

rotating brackets have tight rotation around main bracket is good tracking a lose rotation is but tracking

rotating brackets have a different color or shape to indicate when in falloff off or optimal

i have slept a night about this and i have come to the following conclusion

giving hp bars on the brackets themselves might be to much clutter for my screen

how about connecting a locked target with its bracket via a line on the screen ? not sure if it is a good idea, but it might reduce clutter, which is a good thing

This looks good, but I have a word of caution CCP:

The blink animation on hit with variable opacity is really cool and all, but I feel like it should be at least partially based on damage you've received over a reasonable time period -- like 2-3 seconds -- rather than simply on-hit. If it is only on-hit, there is motivation to split up weapon groups to make every hit as unobtrusive and difficult to notice as possible, letting everyone else get the big hits and light themselves up as a target. This naturally increases server load, and anything that's a reason to increase server load can't be good.

I have a suggestion about activated modules. Say I mouse over one of my activated module - after a while it will glow and the current target on the Target Tist also glows and maybe even in the Overview. If you mouse over a target in the Target List, the activated modules on it will glow accordingly.

This is going to be useful for mission salvagers and miners that often have multiple targets working with ungrouped modules.

Are you saying you're removing the activated module icons from the side of the locked targets section?

How am I going to know which modules I have applied to which target? This is actually a very important part of the current.

And doing the whole "hover over my modules" thing does NOT cut it for me. .

- Yes, the graphics are a bit wider now, but the old one had the module icons on the side so that should also count as the width of the targets.
- the height of the old ones is greater, but then I have to add a little bit to the bottom of the new ones because that's where the active modules appear.

Does this also mean that there will be no way in the Overview to see who has specific (suspect, criminal, etc) flags?

We really need a [sarcasm] tag for the forums. It would prevent so many misunderstandings.

A small request: the current target crosshair should stand out more compared to targets that are merely locked. .

I much, much prefer the Fanfest presentation UI to this proposal.

Also, with the in-space HP bars (not the target row ones), what happens if you have several targets within say 25k or so of each other, and zoom quite a way out? Do they overlap?

skills needs an avatar

The real question we should all be asking is why does skills have a Focused medium Pulse Laser I on his Raven?

This looks like we "want you to tell us what you think but we will do what we want anyway".

What is purpose of this blogs when you ignore all negative feedback and just look nice ones?

If you are asking people for sake of asking than dont bother ,it is boring and just giving chance to people that are forum fans to write here.

Through all this pages players noted numerous times that they dont like this ,or they just ask to have option to have old UI to choose when they log in.No you dont give **** you just ignore that.

CCP Fozzie is only start of your team and guy that is really reading feedback ,rest of team this is just sad.It was same with inventory ,now with crime watch (that is epic fail),and lets us not forget bot heaven you made with mining barges together with farmwill named FW (that you needed 6 freaking months to see it is broken what is really sad).

I am really sad that I have both my accounts payed for one year more.

Point is you are not asking for opinion you are just trying to be nice,but you will just continue being stubborn and f... all we will do what ever we want to do,cause we are awesom.

Dont bother to reply ,cause I learned something from you too. I dont care anymore !

I think you guys are doing a good job with taking in feedback, like I am sure you will take in my 1 decimal in countdowns under 10 sec (9.9 and down)

It would be nice if guys that have blue standings and are also negative sec status don't just show up red to us.

Please seperate these 2 things along with the new targeting.

So these hit animations will also include people doing ewar, right? So if someone is warp scrambling me, I can see some sort of *obvious* warp scramble animation on the aggressor?

If it isn't GÇ£too muchGÇ¥ information with regard to PvP you might think about adding a numerical DPS meter for incoming damage (maybe instead of the flashing red circle). Just make an overlay over the ship pictures in the (old style) target icons. Outgoing DPS could be displayed near the bottom of the targeting bracket of the currently selected target.

Instead of using absolute sizes for shield, armor and structure bars in the circular targeting bracket you could use relative sizes (again, if that isn't GÇ£too muchGÇ¥ information). That way a ship with 1000 points in shield and 500 in armor and structure each would show a shield bar from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, armor bar from 6 to 9 o'clock and structure from 9 to 12.

It would be nice to get information about the damage type of incoming damage. In case you think about the above mentioned DPS meter you might preset the value with the icon of the damage type dealt by that target (or in case of mixed damage types the type that represents the biggest portion of the damage).

It's sad to see CCP karkur leaving team Avatar - EVE station interiors and avatars are greatest graphic environment in modern games. Thanks for your work in team Avatar, CCP karkur! And best of luck with new team.

Would it (in your view) be giving too much info to colour the angular velocity / transversal/ ect in the overview based on the tracking speed of your turrets as outlined in this post post 679 page 34 so that you can tell at a glance which targets are going too fast for you to track?

1. Add a feature to the forums: View only dev posts in thread. Even a dedicated person like me gets tired of 30 or 50 pages of posts, most of them by ranting players (often double- or triple-posting). Most of us are not interested in other players' questions, we are interested in questions that have been answered: What we want to read is what the devs said, and the question they were responding to. If we could filter that out without scrolling through 50 pages to spot the blue badges, it would save us a lot of time and you some trouble!

this does sound very very VERY much like you're actually afraid of touching the old overview code and just want to use some of the codes output into a new system.

who in CCP actually has the expertise to remedy the overview code btw?

The persistant cross hairs when you are targeting something are a little annoying. While I see there use people keep saying there is a way to turn them off. I must be looking in the wrong spots.
Will some one direct me to where the option is? Thanks.

It would not be bad if it was the one that was targeted for action only but right now it is for every thing you have locked. Even if you are not in the combat overview.
Short cut would be better but the next post will tell me that is exactly what there is but it sure is hard to find

Short cut for "Special Bracket Display" tested it did not notice any change but it was only on some cans at the testing station. What does that option do?

The names for these hard to understand option needs to change so they are clear to understand.